The New York Times criticó a Griesa por su labor en el caso argentino - El Muddled caso de los bonos argentinos
El diario dice que el magistrado "no entiende las transacciones de bonos sobre las que decidió durante años". Fue luego del encuentro de la audiencia que encabezó esta semana con las partes y los intermediarios. "Difícilmente pueda inspirar confianza en el sistema legal estadounidense", cuestionaron.
The New York Times criticó al juez Thomas Griesa en un artículo firmado por Floyd Norris. Fue después de que se conoció la transcripción de la audiencia celebrada el martes último, donde Griesa tuvo dudas del alcance de sus decisiones, repreguntó sobre la ruta de pago y las entidades involucradas, y se reservó de emitir opinión sobre el destino de los fondos que están congelados, que quedaron en una suerte de limbo legal.
"Thomas Poole Griesa es juez federal desde hace 42 años. Hace una década que lidia con el default de la deuda argentina. Recién ahora está aprendiendo Griesa lo complicada que puede ser la vida para un juez cuando busca controlar las acciones de un gobierno soberano y dicta resoluciones supuestamente obligatorias para aquellos que, en circunstancias normales, nunca estarían bajo jurisdicción de un tribunal estadounidense", introdujo el artículo.
El matutino sostuvo que Griesa hizo referencia "a la posibilidad de un nuevo default de los bonos soberanos de la Argentina, algo que parece casi seguro que ocurra el próximo miércoles". "Pero también pudo haber hecho referencia al proceso que desató con resoluciones que tenían un objetivo, forzar a la Argentina a cumplir con lo que una y otra vez denominó sus `obligaciones´, pero que no tuvieron en cuenta lo complejo de la situación", ahondó..
El periódico analizó que "la audiencia de esta semana dejó totalmente en claro que Griesa no terminó de entender las transacciones de bonos sobre las que decidió durante años" y acusó al magistrado de inventar una interpretación legal para obligar al cumplimiento de las sentencias.
"Sostuvo que la Argentina debía realizar, junto con el próximo pago semianual de intereses a los tenedores de los nuevos bonos, el pago total" a los fondos buitre y holdouts. Pero aclaró que la resolución de esa sentencia sólo hacía referencia a los bonos en dólares bajo legislación neoyorquina. Ignoraba la existencia de otros bonos del canje. "¿Regía entonces la resolución sobre otros bonos del canje, incluyendo los emitidos bajo ley argentina? Un banco que procesara el pago de intereses de esos bonos, ¿tendría problemas con el juez?", le preguntaron al magistrado, quien finalmente evitó tomar una decisión.
Este martes Griesa encabezó un encuentro con las partes, los bancos y los intermediarios para resolver qué sucedería con los pagos congelados de bonos que no están bajo jurisdicción norteamericana. Sin embargo, no adoptó ninguna resolución y las entidades financieras se fueron sin una respuesta. Sí en cambio se expidió sobre el pedido de stay de la Argentina para suspender los efectos de la sentencia que obliga a pagarles a los holdouts. "Aún es tiempo de seguir dialogando", esgrimió.
Esta actitud fue la que también provocó críticas en la Argentina. Horas después de la audiencia, el Ministerio de Economía volvió a criticar a Griesa por "no haber decidido nada" en cuanto a las mociones que habían propiciado el encuentro.
"No era teatro barato, pero difícilmente pudo inspirar confianza en el sistema legal estadounidense", sentenció The New York Times.
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la nota del The New York Times original
Thomas Poole Griesa has been a federal judge for 42 years. He has been grappling with Argentina’s debt default for a decade.
Only now is he learning how complicated life can be for a judge seeking to control actions by a sovereign government and issuing orders that are supposed to be binding on those who would ordinarily never be within the jurisdiction of an American court.
“We are in the soup,” he said at one point on Tuesday during the latest hearing in a case that has shaken the world of sovereign debt restructuring.
He was referring to the prospect of a new Argentine default on its sovereign bonds, something that seems almost certain to happen on Wednesday. But he could have been referring to the process he unleashed with rulings that were meant to accomplish one thing — force Argentina to live up to what he repeatedly called its “obligations” — but failed to take into account just how complex the situation is. This week’s hearing made clear that he had not completely understood the bond transactions that he had been ruling on for years.
Argentina defaulted on its debt in 2001 and took an imperial attitude toward aggrieved creditors. In 2005, it offered a take-it-or-leave-it exchange of new bonds for the old ones, with investors required to accept large losses. Then in 2010 it told investors who had held out that they would have one more chance to take the exchange bonds. Most did, but some, largely hedge funds, did not and demanded full repayment. Argentina vowed that those investors who refused would never receive a dime.
Then came Judge Griesa, who was chief judge of the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York until 2000, when he became a senior judge.
Other judges had ruled that Argentina owed the money, but those rulings were, in practice, unenforceable against a sovereign state. Judge Griesa came up with a legal interpretation to put teeth in the rulings. He held that Argentina must pay the old bonds in full at the same time it made the next semiannual interest payment to holders of the new bonds. And if it did not do so, any bank that helped Argentina pay interest on the new bonds would be violating the order.
That ruling was upheld by the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit, and in June the Supreme Court refused to hear Argentina’s final appeal.
In Argentina’s debt restructuring, holders of the old bonds who accepted the country’s offer received a variety of new bonds depending to some extent on which old bonds they held and to some extent on which new bonds they chose. Some of the exchange bonds were denominated in United States dollars, some in Argentine pesos, some in euros and some in Japanese yen. Some of them were subject to New York law, others to Argentine, English or Japanese law.
And that is where the complexities arose that Judge Griesa seems not to have understood.
The order he issued earlier this year said that — assuming Argentina does not make good on the old bonds — it should not make interest payments on the exchange bonds, and banks should not help it do so. That sounded as if it covered all the exchange bonds, even those not issued under New York law.
But the opinion explaining the order discussed only the dollar bonds issued under New York law. It ignored the existence of other exchange bonds.
So did the ruling apply to those other exchange bonds, including those issued under Argentine law? Would a bank that processed interest payments on those bonds be in trouble with the judge?
Citibank’s Argentine branch, which is the trustee for bonds issued under Argentine law, some denominated in pesos and some in dollars, asked the judge for a clarification, and on June 27 he provided one. Citibank could process interest payments on those bonds. They were not covered by his order.
This week’s hearing was largely about changing that ruling, and the judge initially made it clear that he saw no reason for a change. He saw the bonds as domestic ones, owned by Argentine citizens. “From a practical, common-sense standpoint,” he asked a lawyer for the hedge funds who was trying to have the order modified, “why do they have to get dragged into this?”
It turned out that he did not know much about those Argentine-law bonds. He said his June order provided “a rather minute exception” to his original ruling, and told the hedge funds’ lawyer, Edward A. Friedman of Friedman Kaplan Seiler & Adelman, “It is my understanding that the bonds being talked about in your motion are not part of the exchange.”
Told that the bonds in question were exchange bonds, and that they accounted for nearly a quarter of all the exchange bonds, he said he had not realized that and reversed course.
“Sitting here right now,” he said, “it strikes me that, being exchange bonds, they should be treated as exchange bonds and that they should be included with the other exchange bonds in the Feb. 23 order.”
It was not bad theater, but it hardly inspired confidence in the American legal system.
“These questions are essential to the operation of this injunction,” Anna Gelpern, a law professor at Georgetown University who has followed the case for years, said after reading the transcript of Tuesday’s hearing. “Up to half the debt could be in or out depending on how these questions are resolved. The fact we are confronting them, days before a payment default, is scary.”
It is not as if no one had pointed out the issues in the many legal briefs and arguments filed in this case, both before Judge Griesa and before appeals courts. But those arguments seem not to have registered. “For this to come out after this has gone through so much legal process, in the most sophisticated financial jurisdiction in America,” Ms. Gelpern said, “has to be astounding.”
On Tuesday, Judge Griesa eventually decided he would think it over and rule at a later date. At some point he will also have to deal with the status of bonds issued under English or Japanese law.
If he ends up ruling that the Argentine-law bonds are covered by his original ruling, and tells Citibank not to process the interest payment, then Citibank could have to decide whether to defy him or ignore the law in Argentina, where it could face prosecution.
If he rules the other way, Argentina may try to find a way to do a new exchange, with Argentine-law bonds given to any investors who want to give up their bonds issued under United States law. The judge would probably try to block such an exchange.
A grace period gives Argentina until Wednesday to pay the interest it owes on the exchange bonds. It has paid the money to the bank trustees, including Bank of New York Mellon for the New York-law bonds. That bank has done nothing with the money because it is clearly bound by the judge’s order.
Argentina says that payment means it will not default, because it will not be the country’s fault if the exchange bond holders are not paid. The judge says Argentina acted illegally in making the payment, but he has not decided what the Bank of New York Mellon should do now. The hedge funds want the judge to order the bank to return the money to Argentina. The bank, fearing suits from bondholders, wants to keep the money until all this is sorted out. The judge is also pondering that issue.
As Wednesday approaches, the judge has a lot to think about. It would be better if he had done some of that thinking before he issued his order, or if the appeals court or the Supreme Court had forced him to do so.
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The New York Times criticó al juez Thomas Griesa en un artículo firmado por Floyd Norris. Fue después de que se conoció la transcripción de la audiencia celebrada el martes último, donde Griesa tuvo dudas del alcance de sus decisiones, repreguntó sobre la ruta de pago y las entidades involucradas, y se reservó de emitir opinión sobre el destino de los fondos que están congelados, que quedaron en una suerte de limbo legal.
"Thomas Poole Griesa es juez federal desde hace 42 años. Hace una década que lidia con el default de la deuda argentina. Recién ahora está aprendiendo Griesa lo complicada que puede ser la vida para un juez cuando busca controlar las acciones de un gobierno soberano y dicta resoluciones supuestamente obligatorias para aquellos que, en circunstancias normales, nunca estarían bajo jurisdicción de un tribunal estadounidense", introdujo el artículo.
El matutino sostuvo que Griesa hizo referencia "a la posibilidad de un nuevo default de los bonos soberanos de la Argentina, algo que parece casi seguro que ocurra el próximo miércoles". "Pero también pudo haber hecho referencia al proceso que desató con resoluciones que tenían un objetivo, forzar a la Argentina a cumplir con lo que una y otra vez denominó sus `obligaciones´, pero que no tuvieron en cuenta lo complejo de la situación", ahondó..
El periódico analizó que "la audiencia de esta semana dejó totalmente en claro que Griesa no terminó de entender las transacciones de bonos sobre las que decidió durante años" y acusó al magistrado de inventar una interpretación legal para obligar al cumplimiento de las sentencias.
"Sostuvo que la Argentina debía realizar, junto con el próximo pago semianual de intereses a los tenedores de los nuevos bonos, el pago total" a los fondos buitre y holdouts. Pero aclaró que la resolución de esa sentencia sólo hacía referencia a los bonos en dólares bajo legislación neoyorquina. Ignoraba la existencia de otros bonos del canje. "¿Regía entonces la resolución sobre otros bonos del canje, incluyendo los emitidos bajo ley argentina? Un banco que procesara el pago de intereses de esos bonos, ¿tendría problemas con el juez?", le preguntaron al magistrado, quien finalmente evitó tomar una decisión.
Este martes Griesa encabezó un encuentro con las partes, los bancos y los intermediarios para resolver qué sucedería con los pagos congelados de bonos que no están bajo jurisdicción norteamericana. Sin embargo, no adoptó ninguna resolución y las entidades financieras se fueron sin una respuesta. Sí en cambio se expidió sobre el pedido de stay de la Argentina para suspender los efectos de la sentencia que obliga a pagarles a los holdouts. "Aún es tiempo de seguir dialogando", esgrimió.
Esta actitud fue la que también provocó críticas en la Argentina. Horas después de la audiencia, el Ministerio de Economía volvió a criticar a Griesa por "no haber decidido nada" en cuanto a las mociones que habían propiciado el encuentro.
"No era teatro barato, pero difícilmente pudo inspirar confianza en el sistema legal estadounidense", sentenció The New York Times.
nota original
la nota del The New York Times original
Thomas Poole Griesa has been a federal judge for 42 years. He has been grappling with Argentina’s debt default for a decade.
Only now is he learning how complicated life can be for a judge seeking to control actions by a sovereign government and issuing orders that are supposed to be binding on those who would ordinarily never be within the jurisdiction of an American court.
“We are in the soup,” he said at one point on Tuesday during the latest hearing in a case that has shaken the world of sovereign debt restructuring.
He was referring to the prospect of a new Argentine default on its sovereign bonds, something that seems almost certain to happen on Wednesday. But he could have been referring to the process he unleashed with rulings that were meant to accomplish one thing — force Argentina to live up to what he repeatedly called its “obligations” — but failed to take into account just how complex the situation is. This week’s hearing made clear that he had not completely understood the bond transactions that he had been ruling on for years.
Argentina defaulted on its debt in 2001 and took an imperial attitude toward aggrieved creditors. In 2005, it offered a take-it-or-leave-it exchange of new bonds for the old ones, with investors required to accept large losses. Then in 2010 it told investors who had held out that they would have one more chance to take the exchange bonds. Most did, but some, largely hedge funds, did not and demanded full repayment. Argentina vowed that those investors who refused would never receive a dime.
Then came Judge Griesa, who was chief judge of the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York until 2000, when he became a senior judge.
Other judges had ruled that Argentina owed the money, but those rulings were, in practice, unenforceable against a sovereign state. Judge Griesa came up with a legal interpretation to put teeth in the rulings. He held that Argentina must pay the old bonds in full at the same time it made the next semiannual interest payment to holders of the new bonds. And if it did not do so, any bank that helped Argentina pay interest on the new bonds would be violating the order.
That ruling was upheld by the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit, and in June the Supreme Court refused to hear Argentina’s final appeal.
In Argentina’s debt restructuring, holders of the old bonds who accepted the country’s offer received a variety of new bonds depending to some extent on which old bonds they held and to some extent on which new bonds they chose. Some of the exchange bonds were denominated in United States dollars, some in Argentine pesos, some in euros and some in Japanese yen. Some of them were subject to New York law, others to Argentine, English or Japanese law.
And that is where the complexities arose that Judge Griesa seems not to have understood.
The order he issued earlier this year said that — assuming Argentina does not make good on the old bonds — it should not make interest payments on the exchange bonds, and banks should not help it do so. That sounded as if it covered all the exchange bonds, even those not issued under New York law.
But the opinion explaining the order discussed only the dollar bonds issued under New York law. It ignored the existence of other exchange bonds.
So did the ruling apply to those other exchange bonds, including those issued under Argentine law? Would a bank that processed interest payments on those bonds be in trouble with the judge?
Citibank’s Argentine branch, which is the trustee for bonds issued under Argentine law, some denominated in pesos and some in dollars, asked the judge for a clarification, and on June 27 he provided one. Citibank could process interest payments on those bonds. They were not covered by his order.
This week’s hearing was largely about changing that ruling, and the judge initially made it clear that he saw no reason for a change. He saw the bonds as domestic ones, owned by Argentine citizens. “From a practical, common-sense standpoint,” he asked a lawyer for the hedge funds who was trying to have the order modified, “why do they have to get dragged into this?”
It turned out that he did not know much about those Argentine-law bonds. He said his June order provided “a rather minute exception” to his original ruling, and told the hedge funds’ lawyer, Edward A. Friedman of Friedman Kaplan Seiler & Adelman, “It is my understanding that the bonds being talked about in your motion are not part of the exchange.”
Told that the bonds in question were exchange bonds, and that they accounted for nearly a quarter of all the exchange bonds, he said he had not realized that and reversed course.
“Sitting here right now,” he said, “it strikes me that, being exchange bonds, they should be treated as exchange bonds and that they should be included with the other exchange bonds in the Feb. 23 order.”
It was not bad theater, but it hardly inspired confidence in the American legal system.
“These questions are essential to the operation of this injunction,” Anna Gelpern, a law professor at Georgetown University who has followed the case for years, said after reading the transcript of Tuesday’s hearing. “Up to half the debt could be in or out depending on how these questions are resolved. The fact we are confronting them, days before a payment default, is scary.”
It is not as if no one had pointed out the issues in the many legal briefs and arguments filed in this case, both before Judge Griesa and before appeals courts. But those arguments seem not to have registered. “For this to come out after this has gone through so much legal process, in the most sophisticated financial jurisdiction in America,” Ms. Gelpern said, “has to be astounding.”
On Tuesday, Judge Griesa eventually decided he would think it over and rule at a later date. At some point he will also have to deal with the status of bonds issued under English or Japanese law.
If he ends up ruling that the Argentine-law bonds are covered by his original ruling, and tells Citibank not to process the interest payment, then Citibank could have to decide whether to defy him or ignore the law in Argentina, where it could face prosecution.
If he rules the other way, Argentina may try to find a way to do a new exchange, with Argentine-law bonds given to any investors who want to give up their bonds issued under United States law. The judge would probably try to block such an exchange.
A grace period gives Argentina until Wednesday to pay the interest it owes on the exchange bonds. It has paid the money to the bank trustees, including Bank of New York Mellon for the New York-law bonds. That bank has done nothing with the money because it is clearly bound by the judge’s order.
Argentina says that payment means it will not default, because it will not be the country’s fault if the exchange bond holders are not paid. The judge says Argentina acted illegally in making the payment, but he has not decided what the Bank of New York Mellon should do now. The hedge funds want the judge to order the bank to return the money to Argentina. The bank, fearing suits from bondholders, wants to keep the money until all this is sorted out. The judge is also pondering that issue.
As Wednesday approaches, the judge has a lot to think about. It would be better if he had done some of that thinking before he issued his order, or if the appeals court or the Supreme Court had forced him to do so.
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